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Mark Entrekin: Hi everyone and welcome to our weekly podcast achieving unity.
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Mark Entrekin: success one step at a time. It is the success formula, Hello, everyone. My name is Mark Intrakin, and I am excited that you're here.
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Mark Entrekin: and I hope you have this on your calendar, and you come back every week, and I know most of you will also go to. I shouldn't say most. But a lot of you will go to our website and view the recording of this. And if you do, please feel free to give feedback, I'll give a site just a minute how you can contact me, contact us and get feedback on it
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Mark Entrekin: always ask for the free Achieving Unity guide. Now, B
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Mark Entrekin: site is on the screen. You can go to the URL. Is at the top. The QR code at the bottom left so many ways of communication. I just hope you will communicate with us more, and always
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Mark Entrekin: creating solutions, one reality, one reality at a time. This is a picture of our website. I hope you will go out there. www.arcintricin.com www, dot achievingunity.com.
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Mark Entrekin: There's many paths to get here. But let's get here and take it to the next level.
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Mark Entrekin: As mentioned, achieving unity, success formula. This is building the formula for achieving unity.
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Mark Entrekin: or that success today and tomorrow
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Mark Entrekin: again, weekly podcast every Wednesday, one pm. Pacific time, 4 Pm. Eastern time. Again, hope. You put it on your calendar
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Mark Entrekin: love to see on a weekly basis.
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Mark Entrekin: reality focused dynamics delivers success, focused solutions. You can see that over in the top, right in our logo.
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Mark Entrekin: relative focus dynamics from left to right. Success focus solutions from top to bottom.
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Mark Entrekin: Please contact us today for more information on
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Mark Entrekin: number one using agile and lean inside and outside of computer software.
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Mark Entrekin: The agile manifesto URL in the bottom right, was 1st written for software.
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Mark Entrekin: But as I've worked with it, I'm certified in the
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Mark Entrekin: team, agile as well as safe or scaled, agile, also
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Mark Entrekin: certified. I tell, as I learned the processes, I see more and more every day.
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Mark Entrekin: It is not just for associations. It's not just for corporations. It's not just for organizations. The different facets of agile and scrum and Kanban, Dsdm, all of them Xp.
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Mark Entrekin: They all can be used in the family environment as well.
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Mark Entrekin: So you might ask, what is agile, agile is the ability
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Mark Entrekin: that each of us have to create and respond to changes and improvements.
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Mark Entrekin: Changes are short term improvements are long term. That's what we want to build for our final goal.
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Mark Entrekin: It enables us agile enables us success
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Mark Entrekin: in uncertain and possibly struggling environments by emphasizing adaptability through better collaboration and better communication. Yes, it works in the corporate environment, but it does work in the family social community environments as well.
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Mark Entrekin: Lean is a methodology focused on maximizing value by minimizing waste.
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Mark Entrekin: It optimizes our processes through continuous improvement.
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Mark Entrekin: We see something. It doesn't work, that's improvement. Let's make it so. It can work.
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Mark Entrekin: This includes effectiveness and efficiency.
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Mark Entrekin: The philosophy can be used in every discipline, every vertical around the world, including our homes and our family.
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Mark Entrekin: connect with me, and I'll show you more on how to break down all issues.
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Mark Entrekin: products and services from the most complex business projects, including rocket science. And yes, I've worked for Lockheed Martin and Boeing and other rocket organizations and companies.
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Mark Entrekin: but it works from there down to the basic steps of training our teenagers. Yes, it does
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Mark Entrekin: wid bid rid it down, break it down, review its dependencies, get it done. We can do that
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Mark Entrekin: personally and professionally.
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Mark Entrekin: Think of busy mornings at a family breakfast. Everyone has somewhere to go, something to do, from work to school to many other events, many of the locations that they need to be.
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Mark Entrekin: One of the things that we can do is have a family stand up meeting each evening.
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Mark Entrekin: during which everyone shares their needs or task the next day. Then they put those on the refrigerator on little sticky notes, the things that need to be done that next morning.
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Mark Entrekin: maybe the chores, the responsibilities. Then that next morning, when the
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Mark Entrekin: little sticky note task or need is done, you move that from the done column. I'm sorry for the to do column to the done column that we can keep up with everything that's going on, and if somebody's running behind
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Mark Entrekin: something that you could do is create a breakfast station with preportioned ingredients and a weekly meal plan. Small cereal boxes, certain amount of food over here on one plate that we can dip from.
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Mark Entrekin: It's all about organizing the process.
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Mark Entrekin: minimizing decision, fatigue, all the decision that has to all the decisions that have to be made, minimizing that
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Mark Entrekin: and then reducing the time. Searching for items, can help everyone participate in a much much smoother and more efficient process.
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Mark Entrekin: achieving unity. Number 2, achieving unity through encouragement, inspiration, and inclusion. This is our main drive, because I put this in the middle because it affects it works directly with agile
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Mark Entrekin: and lean and also impact and work within my next section, which I'll talk to about in Number 3,
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Mark Entrekin: because encouragement can be the powerful force that fuels the core of empowerment.
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Mark Entrekin: powerful force that fuels the core of empowerment, empowering others.
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Mark Entrekin: encourage others to help accomplish their goals.
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Mark Entrekin: inspire each other to achieve every goal. Unity makes us a successful team, include others
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Mark Entrekin: and celebrate every victory, both personally and professionally together, all of us
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Mark Entrekin: in unity. We can overcome every challenge.
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Mark Entrekin: Now number 3 unity starts at home, it shapes society, it transformed workplaces.
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Mark Entrekin: and we talk about it. At the home. We have to think about simple things, such as.
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Mark Entrekin: are we? Are we facing relationship challenges?
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Mark Entrekin: Are we facing things as a parent? Are we having parenting difficulties?
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Mark Entrekin: Are you? Maybe someone, you know.
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Mark Entrekin: struggling with relationship issues or parenting time issues as a divorced or divorcing parent.
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Mark Entrekin: We want to know about these things and to be able to help in these areas.
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Mark Entrekin: We want to transform those frustrations into understanding with what? The frustration?
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Mark Entrekin: Where is the value interactions? Aren't they based on those frustrations, the anger, the hate, the prejudice, don't those come from a frustration that we encountered?
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Mark Entrekin: We must realize that anger, a NGER. Holds no value nowhere.
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Mark Entrekin: Anger is just actions not gaining effective results.
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Mark Entrekin: That's why we get angry
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Mark Entrekin: that anger not gaining those effective results. We need to learn to control that. We'll talk about more about that with Frank. In a few minutes
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Mark Entrekin: life happens from personal relationships to parenting, time to even prenuptial agreements.
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Mark Entrekin: Nuptials not required. A lot of us are getting together these days, and not getting married because of the problems and difficulties in our court system.
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Mark Entrekin: But we can learn to embrace and enjoy every moment and every challenge together
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Mark Entrekin: by break writing it down, breaking it down, review our dependencies on each other and get it done. Get that love in gear. We can do that
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Mark Entrekin: one vision, one goal achieving unity in all areas of our life.
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Mark Entrekin: My course is coming up. Yay, hope you look into it. 7 steps to achieving unity, success, formula, living life fully through present moment awareness. The course is going to start on April 3.rd It's a Thursday before 7 sessions. They'll be for 90 min long. Start at one Pm. Pacific time. Same time as this. 4 Pm. Eastern time. It is a 7 module live online course, practical journey with me.
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Mark Entrekin: It's about discovering those essential practices.
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Mark Entrekin: the ones for cultivating and integrating mindful presence, to enhance our innate qualities, enabling each and every one of us to live more freely
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Mark Entrekin: and authentically
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Mark Entrekin: by caring, helping, and including others, we can achieve a deeper sense of unity and connection at home
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Mark Entrekin: with our families at work, and socially.
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Mark Entrekin: the QR. Codes on the right check into it. Let me know what you think. Please feel free to sign up
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Mark Entrekin: also our website, home.
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Mark Entrekin: QR. Codes on the left
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Mark Entrekin: contact page. You want to contact me. Use that QR code on the right. Get in, cut. Touch with me.
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Mark Entrekin: It's all about the power of encouraging, inspiring, and including others, personally and professionally.
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Mark Entrekin: Our next podcast is coming up.
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Mark Entrekin: We have Raja coming in on the invisible disabilities to increase our profitabilities. On March 12, th
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Mark Entrekin: Janet Mcconnell coming in on ignite fitness on March 19, th
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Mark Entrekin: keeping the focus on people. The greatest asset, Jason Joey. He'll be here on March 26, th
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Mark Entrekin: have storytelling, effective marketing successes, ability for us to tell those stories tell them clearly. Alison Verhelan, Verheland.
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Mark Entrekin: On April second.
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Mark Entrekin: we have leadership, resilience, and team retention with Rose Harrow on April 9.th Remember, we have these going on every week. Please join in the month of June will be all about fathers 4 weeks about fathers and dads being that masculine, gentlemanly person. They can be the good father, the good parent.
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Mark Entrekin: In August we're going to have 4 sessions on mothers.
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Mark Entrekin: on moms, and all the great things they do and have done since life began.
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Mark Entrekin: That's coming.
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Mark Entrekin: Pitch in, ask questions like to see on each and every one of them.
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Mark Entrekin: And now our treat of the day, I'm excited. Frank and I've known each other a while. We know each other through toastmasters.
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Mark Entrekin: Well, Frank Dominicus, it's an independent human resource trainer.
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Mark Entrekin: Frank has been an independent human trainer for over 4 decades.
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Mark Entrekin: I thought. He's only about 39 years old. To begin with.
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Mark Entrekin: his main lanes are strategic planning, leadership and productive conflict. We'll learn more about that in a minute. Also.
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Mark Entrekin: with an interdisciplinary educational background.
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Mark Entrekin: He has been on the cutting edge of effective education and is a vintage. Everything disc trainer. We'll go into that few more interviews in a little bit. Also
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Mark Entrekin: he has something to give you.
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Mark Entrekin: He provides insightful and transformational learning experiences. He supports organization, success through effective development, coaching, professional skill, development.
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Mark Entrekin: and as a global goodwill. Ambassador, advisory and marketing support for good causes. Rank is a person to talk to.
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Mark Entrekin: But guess what?
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Mark Entrekin: Under the hood, everyone that's here
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Mark Entrekin: at the end of our podcast today.
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Mark Entrekin: Frank wants to give a free copy of his Pdf on productive
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Mark Entrekin: conflict. So hang on, hang on tight. We'll go through that just a minute.
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Mark Entrekin: Let me stop the share. Let's go over here and let's bring Frank on board.
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Mark Entrekin: Frank. How are you today?
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Frank DeDominicis: I'm happy to be here. Thank you for the invitation.
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Mark Entrekin: Oh, my pleasure! Thank you, Frank, just a second. Let me get my screen set up. I'm gonna have to turn this over to Renee. She could do this so much better than I could
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Mark Entrekin: things in the way. Here, PIN you the 1st screen
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Mark Entrekin: up here, and I'll PIN me next to you.
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Mark Entrekin: and I think we're together. Frank. Congratulations on all the great work that you're doing. Thank you for being here. This is awesome, and I'm so excited to have you here today.
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Mark Entrekin: Let me start off with the very 1st question. Well, first, st let's tell me about your tell us about yourself
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Mark Entrekin: and
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Mark Entrekin: what you've done for the last 40 years. Those last 40 decades give us a little few clues about who Frank is.
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Frank DeDominicis: But let me go back to 60 years, because the values that drive me now are the same values I had as a teenager.
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Frank DeDominicis: You know, I was a rebellious young. They used to call us Radicals, but that doesn't mean what it means today. It meant change agents back then.
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Frank DeDominicis: So I was very much involved in
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Frank DeDominicis: community service, and later, in my twenties, I worked in community action programs. I was always given to be an helpful.
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Frank DeDominicis: It was in the seventies when I was involved with the community action programs that I
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Frank DeDominicis: became initially involved with training. My boss noticed that I was
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Frank DeDominicis: not the most polished manager. I'll just put it that way. I would have quite the discussion with that young Frank today, but my boss was
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Frank DeDominicis: come in good enough
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Frank DeDominicis: to put me through leadership, effectiveness, training, which was one of the Big 5. At that time organization development was just beginning to merge traditional Peter Drucker management by objectives type of training with soft skills. It was the larger organizations that had the luxury of time and money to do that.
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Frank DeDominicis: So I went through what I did not expect. My 1st transformational experience at a time in my life when I was young and needed organization and goal clarity, and most importantly proper communication with people. I was simply someone who did not know that listening is a skill. I thought listening was what you did while you waited for your turn to talk.
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Mark Entrekin: Well, said
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Frank DeDominicis: So, to make a long story short, the the teams that I supervise I was supervising 4 managers and 36 or 40 line people.
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Frank DeDominicis: But over time things change because I applied what I learned about leadership, very, very elemental things about leadership starting just with listening.
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Frank DeDominicis: Also, I had a being a young quote, unquote, positive activist, community activist, I also
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Frank DeDominicis: was sensitive to injustice, which I think most people are.
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Frank DeDominicis: So I was part of a group that exposed bad bad business practices in the factories in my neighborhood. In Philadelphia a group of us would go in and take photographs of unsafe working conditions and.
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Mark Entrekin: Wow!
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Frank DeDominicis: Or one person would go and pretend to apply for a job.
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Frank DeDominicis: and then every week we would publish at the back of our Community newsletter an expose on what companies need need to be exposed. So.
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Frank DeDominicis: although that was the very seed of my activism, I also knew that I was destined to
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Frank DeDominicis: influence others. Forgive me if it sounds egotistical, but I remember my mom putting her shoulder her hand on my shoulder
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Frank DeDominicis: when I told her when I was young. I'm going to not be in the system. I'm going to be outside to help doctor it and make it more humane. And she said, Frankie. Someday you're going to influence a lot of people, and I happen to believe that so.
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Mark Entrekin: I agree.
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Frank DeDominicis: Never underestimate the power of your words, especially when you're speaking to young people.
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Frank DeDominicis: So that led me to a series of licenses with various major training companies. 40 years ago
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Frank DeDominicis: I was leading intensive, personal, intensive. That was very popular at the time Eslin Institute was using tea groups, sensitivity groups. We were sitting in circles more like group therapy and working out what was best for the organization.
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Frank DeDominicis: That was a good model. It had both skills-based trainings available which I participated in. And there were also other types of
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Frank DeDominicis: intensives that I did not subscribe to that were also intensive. But they're more like tear down the personality and rebuild them. Type of programs which I don't subscribe to.
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Frank DeDominicis: I was able in just recently in the past, say 15 years, to merge what I learned about traditional management objectives with soft skills
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Frank DeDominicis: and develop my own form of infotainment. I call it a way of having fun with teaching and teaching things that are immediately practical in someone's life.
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Frank DeDominicis: And to close on your question, I'll say this. I was so lucky when I was in high school because I met 2 innovative teachers through the School Board, the Philadelphia School Board, Norm Newberg, and Terry Borton, who invented, not, did not invent.
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Frank DeDominicis: but introduced the concept of affective education, of education, of the total person.
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Frank DeDominicis: So I was able to study in my college years through an interdisciplinary program that involved 3 disciplines, philosophy, psychology, and sociology. To study one subject for 3 h with 3 teachers. We studied poverty, and we studied institutional violence the next year, and was Norm Newberg, and Terry Borton, famous now in the world of affective education
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Frank DeDominicis: for allowing students to immerse themselves totally in the subject. Not just given book reports.
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Frank DeDominicis: So that's that's what started me in my career in training 40 years ago, wanting to provide the type of education that doesn't just give information.
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Frank DeDominicis: but creates a safe space for people to explore their own attitudes in, how they relate and to make those changes. And
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Frank DeDominicis: there was such a self-esteem reward from that type of work. I just could not stop.
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Mark Entrekin: Wow! You've been a pretty impressive life. I'm impressed. I know that I've been impressed since I've met you many years ago.
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Mark Entrekin: but you have a lot of things that you have built upon, and quite a foundation.
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Frank DeDominicis: That you have grown from.
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Mark Entrekin: Do you think it was your mother that
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Mark Entrekin: sparked that you think? What if there was something that was a spark?
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Mark Entrekin: How do you feel that you could have sparked that that initial passion that you had to help people?
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Mark Entrekin: Do you feel? Was it just an accumulation
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Mark Entrekin: of all the things that you talk about? Was there that one spark.
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Frank DeDominicis: That's a good question, absolutely. My mother has been a pivotal influence in my life. All my, all the years of her.
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Frank DeDominicis: her life, of our deep, deep friendship.
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Frank DeDominicis: Not just that
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Frank DeDominicis: conversation in my youth that I would be what I am today, but even supporting me recently
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Frank DeDominicis: there was influence, but I I think it was embedded in me. I don't know. It's just part of my nature. If I see something broken.
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Frank DeDominicis: I want to fix it, you know. If I visit your house, you know. Forgive me. I might straighten the picture on the wall, and the same thing with organizations, you know. I really, you know, I don't want to use the word hate. But I really despise the waste of human energy when you consider what a beautiful creation the individual is.
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Frank DeDominicis: and unfortunately, I think most of us are too self-centered to have a sincere curiosity into the depths of others. So I've always wanted to have meaningful conversations and really not want to engage in just, you know, babbling on the phone about the news, or or about other people. But my mind.
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Mark Entrekin: Exactly.
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Mark Entrekin: that, as I mentioned earlier, that are in that culture before what they've learned.
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Frank DeDominicis: Could take you to that next level. Right?
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Mark Entrekin: process, you're talking about the waste that there's so much more we can build on and wasting time talking about. Sometimes all of our political
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Mark Entrekin: could be nonsense on TV by both parties, all affiliations. It's not just one, but some of that is just not taking us anywhere, is it.
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Frank DeDominicis: It's taken us someplace. It should not.
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Frank DeDominicis: A study was done, and I'll provide the citation in the free ebook I'll give you. At the end of this
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Frank DeDominicis: 2 different groups that were politically separate Conservatives and not Conservatives, would have been interesting to have them in the same room. But but at any rate they were both asked to present an argument for why? They are absolutely right, and we certainly hear a lot of absolute moralism these days.
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Mark Entrekin: Don't we.
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Frank DeDominicis: They're absolutely right. And the other person's not only wrong, but they're the demons for undermining, and the same thing with the with the other group. They were given the same instruction. Explain why you're right and your opponent's wrong.
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Frank DeDominicis: And they did. And when they did, the frontal lobes lit up thinking, reasoning, thought, processing right.
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Frank DeDominicis: And then a very interesting exercise was given to them. They were asked, and if you've studied debate, you know empathy is an important part of understanding your arguing the point of view you disagree with, and that's exactly what they did. They had them explain why they were wrong. Why they, how could I possibly be wrong? You know my self identity is so wrapped up in self-righteousness, we seldom look at how much our ego drives us.
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Frank DeDominicis: that pleasure center lit up. So is there a payback for us? Do we subconsciously enjoy? I'm going to suggest. Yes, I'm going to suggest that the reason we get hooked into a news headline, no matter what side you're on, because I believe every news headline is clickbait. It gives us a dopamine hit. Oh, yeah, great. Our enemies exposed, sued dead, whatever
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Frank DeDominicis: you know, it makes us feel like we're self-righteous. You know. We're disgusted with the enemy and good they're being sued, or something bad happened to him, and.
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Frank DeDominicis: Something negative. It doesn't have to be along party lines. It's just individuals.
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Frank DeDominicis: you know. Gossip, you know. Gossip. What about a destructive force in society yet it's accepted as as normal, because usually it's not in a constructive way I don't get together with Mark to edify. Oh, by the way, I want to say how great rich was in that talk. I don't take time to do that. Why not? We don't call her shrink to say I'm having a joyful day today, do we.
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Frank DeDominicis: The same thing with the influence of the media on us. We are not aware that we can become neurochemically addicted to having excitable news headlines spark us because it gives us subconsciously, and we probably wouldn't admit this gives us a feeling of pleasure in being superior.
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Frank DeDominicis: or think we're superior.
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Mark Entrekin: And I like what you're saying, too, because, as you're saying, it's both being coaches, and I know for me as a coach.
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Mark Entrekin: They see some ways that their things are not perfect.
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Mark Entrekin: but they can be improved. That part of the process like with you think you're on the cutting edge of effective education? Am I getting that right? Because that cutting edge takes it to that next level of improvement?
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Mark Entrekin: Is that right?
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Mark Entrekin: Well, if I'm talking affective other than effective, it's an affective feeling. It's an affective education, and how it's going to shape your kind of what you do. I think you talk about Norm Newberg and Terry Borden and that Parkway program. It's about the interdisciplinary
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Frank DeDominicis: Well, let me answer by saying, there's 2 parts to that. One is the content and delivery.
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Frank DeDominicis: and the second piece is the interpretation, the sensitivity of the teacher or trainer. I think one of the reasons I stayed with disc as a tool. I don't lean on it exclusively. It's a good tool, but I don't proselytize for it. It's not a clinical instrument that's predictable. It simply tells you your predominant tendencies in interactions with others.
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Frank DeDominicis: although that profile that you take this morning in the corporate boardroom might look completely different than the profile you would take of yourself at home with your lover or spouse in the evening. We are very fluid and flexible
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Frank DeDominicis: so, and with that I must mention 2 things that have been a little bit of p for me, and that's the tendency to call disc a personality tool or assessment. It's not.
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Frank DeDominicis: tendencies, and also your profile could change next week if you've gone through some significant emotional event. So I caution people about labeling themselves a blue, a 9, A. D. Or whatever. It's just a helpful way of beginning the conversation.
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Frank DeDominicis: So you can have a non-threatening dialogue about behavior, particularly in the corporate environment where we don't know. I shouldn't say don't know. But generally people don't know how to approach other people, to speak in a way
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Frank DeDominicis: that allows other people to hear what you have to say. I'm sure Mark knows what I'm talking about.
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Mark Entrekin: And to touch on that. And as we joked earlier, and I have a smile on my face, but I'm going to challenge you.
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Mark Entrekin: Can you tell me, how would you feel about that.
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Frank DeDominicis: Yes, in the middle days of disk, in the eighties and nineties we would ask people to do their input based on how they see themselves at work or at home, so we would get 2 different profiles, and we would be able to see what went up and down a little bit.
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Frank DeDominicis: Nowadays we find that people are pretty much the same person in most environments with some changes. So we don't lean on that as much anymore. But we can tell the differences. For example, you might need to be
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Frank DeDominicis: uncomfortably assertive. Maybe you're a high Ca high critical type that's low, verbal, a thoughtful listener who doesn't like to speak feels nervous with speaking, even in social situations, but at work. You're called upon to give a report or to provide direction and discipline. So you must have enforced behavior. You must pull up your assertiveness, or what we call dominance, assertive aggressiveness. In order to act differently.
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Frank DeDominicis: It's not as if you're a different person or you're an actor. The environment dictates the change. And the same thing with the example I used in the evening. Perhaps you're with someone you love as a good example.
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Frank DeDominicis: and your dominance drops completely, and you're you're totally passive. Oh, I don't care. Where do you want to go. What do you want to order? I don't care, and you're totally compliant.
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Frank DeDominicis: So so I encourage people not to label themselves DISC. But think of these 4 elements as
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Frank DeDominicis: You can probably tell I am what they refer to as a high eye, high empathy. I connect with people. I'm a people magnet.
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Frank DeDominicis: and I have a trail Md. Which most people don't see because I hide it, but I have a hammer that I could pull up if I if I need to lay down the wall or or be serious. You know very, very serious about something.
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Frank DeDominicis: but most people don't see me in that pro in either one of those styles. They see me as an S. Someone who's very calm and secure, because that's my enforced behavior. I like to make room for other people, not just their physical presence, but their state of consciousness and not to dominate with changing the subject, but really enter into the mind space that they're in when they're talking about someone
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Frank DeDominicis: you talked about conflict and differences. I learned a lot about how to deal with, or how to connect with others who have a totally totally opposite point of view.
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Frank DeDominicis: I read a book by Monica Guzman.
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Frank DeDominicis: The name of the book is here it comes. I never thought of it that way.
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Frank DeDominicis: She's a young journalist who had absolutely opposite political opinions as her mother and father, who she lived with.
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Frank DeDominicis: and she had long experience in interviewing people and training herself to be a neutral interviewer, and what she learned is over time. And I've developed this, too. I've developed a sincere curiosity
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Frank DeDominicis: about the other reason. I talked to a friend who's totally polar opposite to me. And instead of thinking, how in the world could you think that way?
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Frank DeDominicis: I had a sincere curiosity about his thinking? And I asked instead, How did you come to that conclusion? What made you think that way, and what it did to summarize what it did is it didn't change the relationship in that moment, but in the next meeting there was much less tension with us.
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Mark Entrekin: That's excellent. And as you mentioned that, that's something that I show some people, but
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Mark Entrekin: as you smile, it's got a picture of the question. Mark a picture of a guy doing his thumbs up.
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Mark Entrekin: That's what I always try to think about. Do I always do it? No, I don't. I try.
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Mark Entrekin: but I always joke about trying as a percentage how far along in that path are you? And some days I'm way ahead. Some days it's still a struggle.
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Mark Entrekin: to take back to when we take the test, whether it be a disc test or any of these other Myers-briggs or any of these other tests.
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Frank DeDominicis: That's correct, absolutely. Whenever I gave someone a disc profile to do. Whether it was recently or 40 years ago, I was, would always give instructions. Do not do this. If you're coming from or going to anything stressful.
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Frank DeDominicis: do not allow any interruptions and do whatever you need to do to have a singular focus on this short little input exercise which takes 10 min
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Frank DeDominicis: because right? We are influenced by others around us. That reminds me of another test that was done with 2 groups. Or, pardon me, yes, 2 groups, and forgive me for forgetting the citation, but involved a dental office and a radio program
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Frank DeDominicis: and the radio program in that one group that was waiting in the dental office listened to
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Frank DeDominicis: Another one came up, and instead it gave news of some horrible, violent situation in which there is a perpetrator and victims.
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Frank DeDominicis: sad news about some accident that happened had a deeper connection and empathy with others in the room, and those who had listened to the bad news of some evil crime that had happened were more distant and lacked eye contact and even involvement. Isn't that interesting?
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Mark Entrekin: Is interesting, and I think more of us, if not, every one of us needs to go through that
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Mark Entrekin: today? Are you some, you said, some of them at the testing, but as far as working with the people themselves, your coaching and skills development.
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Frank DeDominicis: So I'll speak on content 1st and and then the more experiential side of the question.
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Frank DeDominicis: Back in the day, as I said. We used to do intensives all day. Seminars or retreats
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Frank DeDominicis: and and that was good that was fulfilling. We can get a lot done in one day, and then that that also broke down into workshops. This is pre-internet, mind you.
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Frank DeDominicis: and manual registrations. Then came the Internet. And with the Internet, the major change in delivering services is online self-paced learning programs. So anyone who's a good teacher is probably looking at developing residual development of their business by making an online course or having whatever content they're developing mature into content that could be put into that format.
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Frank DeDominicis: The most recent changes in tendencies trends rather in the training industry is that, especially with the economic situation. Corporations
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Frank DeDominicis: need to pinch their pennies. They can't afford to write a big, fat check for you to come in and do your long, big, intensive program. Maybe they can.
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Frank DeDominicis: That's the new training I'm adapting along with Wiley and other disc trainers to that format, so that we can empower in-house trainers not replace them.
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Frank DeDominicis: The train. The trainer concept came about in the early stages that 1st phase
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Frank DeDominicis: Many trainers are not getting in sync with this new paradigm shift. It's fun to go in and deliver your entire process, your book, your delivery, and that still is out there. But what's really necessary, particularly given, how conflict has so saturated our work environments, it's more important to be able to come together
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Frank DeDominicis: and solve that the way we do that the way I do that is through an online platform called Catalyst.
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Frank DeDominicis: which helps the disc person, the person who's taking the profile in the corporation to go in and do a comparison. I could go in and look up my fellow workers. Profile, get a printout of the same disc profile with our dots in different places, and in addition to that, I can also get a readout on my degree of resistance to changing my behavior to more acceptable behavior.
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Frank DeDominicis: What else can I tell you about that? Oh, you can also do a blind. This has been around since the paper disk back in the eighties. You could do a blind profile. Salespeople used to use it that way.
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Frank DeDominicis: They would go into the say, a car salesman's meeting with a couple, and they'd go into the next room. And now you could go into the system and plug in what you think is their profile. It's a quick and dirty profile, and it'll give you a comparison, and it'll actually tell you how to speak to the people, how not to.
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Frank DeDominicis: This tool has also been used. Over half a million of the. There's over 70 million profiles have been used to date over a million a year are used.
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Frank DeDominicis: and and provide training. And last of all, I've also offered one-on-one training with all the historical patterns, with local therapists and counselors. I have a
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Frank DeDominicis: a friend who's an elder guardian, and I've been able over course of a year to go through each of the 12 profiles and to help make him a better counselor.
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Frank DeDominicis: So that's the way the way we address the conflict.
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Frank DeDominicis: the piece of the profile. And and you're right. It has to do with the environment and the interpretation.
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Mark Entrekin: It does. And I liked what you just said about reading minds. How many of us think the other person knows everything that we know.
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Frank DeDominicis: So I make an observation about an exchange I have with someone, and that interpretation is only my assumption that's passed through my bias filters. It's not.
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Frank DeDominicis: It's not an absolute fact. Memory is selective. We we interpret and store. I remember having an argument, and in my file my complaint file up there. I can remember the 4 or 5 major points for why, I could debate, and win and beat that other person. But what sense is it for me to waste my mental time on that mental rehearsing and rehearsing argument
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Frank DeDominicis: when I really need to. As the productive conflict philosophy teaches, learn how to adjust my own 1st thought.
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Frank DeDominicis: The productive conflict I teach on is based on cognitive behavioral therapy that is checking our impulsive, immediate self-talk.
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Frank DeDominicis: Once again our assumptive mind. We all took assertiveness 101, 40 years ago, but we've forgotten the feedback loop we're supposed to check in and say, Is this what you're saying? Here's what my understanding of your words. But instead, once again, most of us don't practice listening. Listening is simply what we do while we're waiting for our turn to talk.
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Mark Entrekin: If we hear it, and especially if we say it, it becomes fact in our mind, in her mind.
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Mark Entrekin: And, as you say, you're a global goodwill Ambassador.
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Mark Entrekin: Now, how do you work? How do you handle that with your business expertise. And you're working with the global goodwill and good causes.
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Mark Entrekin: what would be thought processes that you utilize to absolutely create solutions.
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Frank DeDominicis: Absolutely.
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Frank DeDominicis: I previously walled those 2 worlds. I believe a good deed done is best known only by God and yourself. I didn't want to brag about
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Frank DeDominicis: but I received recognition in 2017 for helping to develop a nonprofit that would rejoin broken families. We agreed we wouldn't get into anything that was heavy, legally or psychologically. But if families were separated only because of a little bit of money or something, we would
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Frank DeDominicis: great grands.
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Frank DeDominicis: This was initiated by the Dadinga tribe that came from Kakuma refugee camp in Kenya, and we began with the Kenya refugees, the migrants and immigrants. We are still active today it's called the Alale Hill Organization.
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Mark Entrekin: Okay, we're.
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Frank DeDominicis: How should I say this? We're bypassing red tape and going direct to direct services. So the majority of the monies that come in go directly to bump in the road grants and larger grants for immigrants who are making cultural adjustment here. I serve as an advisor for that team.
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Frank DeDominicis: and I apply the same principles of organization effectiveness with that group as I do with a for-profit organization. The difference is that
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Frank DeDominicis: but applying myself to the nonprofit environment and helping good causes fulfills me personally of
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Frank DeDominicis: you know I'm paid with love real love. And, as you were saying about the influence of environment, when I leave that role as global Goodwill Ambassador, and put on my commercial hat, I still have that warm feeling that I'm here to serve this other person, and to earn the respect and to earn their confidence in the ability to make changes that probably were
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Mark Entrekin: Many, many years ago, when they were possibly in their infancy.
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Frank DeDominicis: And see how we can better use things today that.
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Mark Entrekin: Not on purpose. But do you think, maybe
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Frank DeDominicis: Hmm! That's a good question.
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Frank DeDominicis: I constantly look at the larger picture, the societal influences on individual behavior.
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Frank DeDominicis: We're upset about A, B and C, for example, that might change. But generally
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Frank DeDominicis: that's the same. I I think the answer is,
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Frank DeDominicis: we're not aware of how reflexive we are, how we are responding to the environment rather than taking control of our own attitude over our reaction to the environment.
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Frank DeDominicis: I'm not going to turn on the news tonight and get sick to my stomach before I go to bed, because everyone's fighting. I'm not going to do that.
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Frank DeDominicis: You know. I'm going to do something that involves human contact with others, whether it's a meditation on someone I love or a letter. Remember letters. I actually write letters to friends
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Frank DeDominicis: I learned in the early part of my career. Yeah, it shocks the heck out of people when they get a written letter, and it's a thoughtful letter. How archaic!
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Frank DeDominicis: But I remember a study that was done again. I learned this early in my career, and it benefited me much.
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Frank DeDominicis: A study was done, and again, I'm not going to have the citation at hand. But a study was done that basically said that the 1st 4 interactions we have in the day sets our attitude sets our mood for the day in all our relationships.
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Frank DeDominicis: Even if you're solo, it could be the bus driver. It could be the retail clerk at the Starbucks. It could be a stranger on the street, or someone waiting at the bus. Stop with you.
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Mark Entrekin: Could it be the dream? Sorry to interrupt you here, but could it be the dream that we just had before we woke up that morning?
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Frank DeDominicis: Yes, yes.
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Frank DeDominicis: Yes, yes, love, love, love. Yeah, exactly.
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Frank DeDominicis: Exactly. So. So I would say to people, be aware of this, and especially if you're someone who's solo or not so socially active, carefully choose the 1st few conversations you have in the day.
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Frank DeDominicis: Do that. There are days when I don't, where I'm not obligated to meet or talk with people. I can have a mouth faster today, but I make a point of calling up
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Frank DeDominicis: others who I want to give support to, or show some interest in.
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Frank DeDominicis: or to get some feedback from, and simply a few social minutes, and it tunes my attitude for the day.
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Mark Entrekin: That's beautiful. That's an awesome way to think about that, because, as you mentioned, if we tune a guitar or tune a musical instrument, you can tune your day.
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Mark Entrekin: so it's playing the sound. It's rehearsing the sound that you want to hear for the rest of your morning
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Mark Entrekin: afternoon, or the whole day tuned to your perceptions. It works so well, Frank, thank you so much. We have about 5 over 5 min left.
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Mark Entrekin: Let me go quickly over a disk, URL, that you sent me. I just put it into the chat. Can you tell me a little bit about what this URL will help
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Frank DeDominicis: Is that a is that a user.
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Mark Entrekin: It's your disc, the one you send me on disk. It is a Youtube. Yes.
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Frank DeDominicis: Oh, that! That's an introductory description of of the definition of disk. So for those who are brand new to disk.
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Frank DeDominicis: it'll give a basic definition.
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Frank DeDominicis: I will, in closing, since we only have a few minutes, tell you something that will be helpful in terms of minimizing tension in relationships. And you don't have to be an expert at this, or even take this to know this.
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Frank DeDominicis: This D stands for dominance, assertive aggressiveness.
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Frank DeDominicis: Those people tend to be short tempered. They deal with a lot more anger. They tend to have
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Frank DeDominicis: different skills. Their people skills are not their primary skills, but they have the ability to bust through walls and impossibilities and to move on magic hunches. You need those kind of people.
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Frank DeDominicis: If you want to connect better with someone who has this behavior, predominant behavior. First, st observe their behavior.
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Frank DeDominicis: If they're fast, aggressive, talkative, and they're obviously dominant types, their greatest fear is the fear of being taken advantage of.
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Frank DeDominicis: If you remember one thing from today, remember that. And if you could find a way in the dialogue to help them, and it might not be
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Frank DeDominicis: a conflict point. It may be them wanting to dominate the conversation. You might let go of the rope and let the dominant, dominant person run. They'll take that as respect
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Frank DeDominicis: the high. I. They're all about people empathy, so their greatest fear is fear of loss of approval or affection.
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Frank DeDominicis: don't reject them. Fight the problem, not the person. Don't reject them.
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Frank DeDominicis: and that's someone who likes calmness. Policy. Family keeps everything balanced.
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Frank DeDominicis: so don't. Their greatest fear of is fear of change. Don't tell them you've got some new, innovative, dynamic, exciting idea. Tell them you're going to take them from A peacefully to B calmly to C to D, and you're going to walk them through a process that results in this big dynamic change.
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Frank DeDominicis: And then, last of all, the C, the complaint type. These are sometimes the hardest to read, because
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Frank DeDominicis: this behavior is not indicative of the style. Sometimes people fall into this pattern where they just want to listen. They're the new boy at the party or conference, and they just want to absorb. So you might misread and think this person's a high C when it's just high C behavior. Like, I said earlier, anyone could exhibit any of these behaviors. Their greatest fear
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Frank DeDominicis: They're the scientists, they're the engineers, they're the chemists. They're the ones who are going to ask the annoying, nitpicking 1 million little questions about the project. But bear with them. They're not antagonistic. They just need that for their security. If you learn to recognize these 4 fears, the fear of being taken advantage of.
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Frank DeDominicis: the fear of loss, of approval and affection.
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Frank DeDominicis: the fear of loss, of security, and the fear of loss, of accuracy, and learn just these 4 tips. You'll move forward in having greater connection, intimacy, trust, and connection with others.
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Mark Entrekin: I like that, Frank. I think that's something that I've taken it before, but it's been decades ago. I need to take it again. I will review your website that URL, you sent and update myself on those I also just put out and thank you very much. Your free Pdf on productive conflict that's in the chat also. We only have about a minute left. But could you go ahead and fill us in quickly on what that tells us?
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Frank DeDominicis: That ebook will give you the background on productive conflict. It'll give you insights on how the entire process works. That's as much as I
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Frank DeDominicis: tell you, for now, if you want more information, contact me directly, and I'll give you appropriate links.
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Frank DeDominicis: Last of all, if there's strong enough interest with this group simply contact me to get on my advanced notification list, and soon I will schedule a disproductive conflict preview for free what my competitors would charge. But I'll spoil you and give you a presentation, and even provide a free mini disc infographic of your profile.
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Mark Entrekin: That is excellent, Frank. Thank you so much. I'm going to try to walk over here and grab your
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Mark Entrekin: if I can. Here, I'm not gonna be able to grab it.
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Mark Entrekin: Maybe I did hold on a second. I did.
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Mark Entrekin: Let me put your URL also in the
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Mark Entrekin: in the chat.
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Mark Entrekin: Do that right now
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Mark Entrekin: so many keys. There you go. I just put your URL in the chat also, so please everyone. Take advantage of this
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Mark Entrekin: rank has provided provided us with the Youtube
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Mark Entrekin: on the Disk information. He provided us with his free Pdf.
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Mark Entrekin: On productive conflict. And if you have any questions.
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Mark Entrekin: anything that Frank might be able to help you with his domain. His URL for his website is out there. Give him a call.
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Mark Entrekin: Frank again. It's good seeing you. We talk once in a while, but I just appreciate your time today and thank you so much for being here.
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Frank DeDominicis: Thank you for everything you're doing to bring unity
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Frank DeDominicis: to relationships, to families and to the world.
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Mark Entrekin: Thank you, Frank. I appreciate that. Everyone that's all for today. I hope to see you again next week
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Mark Entrekin: achieving unity success formula to us. We're part of that formula. Let's make it happen. Thank you. All cheers.